Friday, June 26, 2009

Abortion is Murder?

Where does that notion come from?

http://caae.phil.cmu.edu/Cavalier/Forum/abortion/background/judaism1.html
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12 comments:

  1. ANAVJune 26, 2009 at 9:29 PM

    wow long article, but Yup...

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  2. GeoniteJune 27, 2009 at 4:56 AM

    yup what?

    The article is saying that abortion is NOT murder.

    So why do Christians claim that it is murder?

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  3. yorksnbeansJune 27, 2009 at 5:30 AM

    Man, am I glad you summed that long article into a one liner in your comment! I just didn't have the time to read it! :-)

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  4. GeoniteJune 27, 2009 at 9:08 AM

    You should read it beans. It shows more of the Church's duplicity and lies.

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  5. GeoniteJune 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM

    This kind of sums it up.

    "Because in the Jewish legal-moral tradition on abortion, the woman's welfare plays an even greater role than NOW [National Organization of Women] would claim. A principle in the Jewish view of the matter is tza'ara d'gufah kadim, that her welfare, avoidance of her pain, comes first. Accordingly, maternal indications for abortion do count where fetal indications do not. (80)"

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  6. GeoniteJune 27, 2009 at 9:17 AM

    Abortion is not murder....Abortion cannot be murder in Jewish law, because...murder is one of the three "cardinal" sins that require martyrdom. Rather than commit murder of the innocent, public idolatry or gross sexual immorality [adultery, incest], one has to surrender his own life in martyrdom. All the rest of the Torah is under the category of ya'avor v'al ye-hareg, "let one transgress rather than die," but not for murder of the innocent. Hence if abortion were declared murder, a mother would not be allowed to have an abortion even to save her life, which is obviously not the case. (80-81)

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  7. ANAVJune 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM

    well I believe it's a murder but even talking about it without scripture, woman and men need to practice safe sex. I mean if a woman needs an abortion to save her life, or if she's been raped thats one thing. But I find it really dumb that alot of teenagers/woman get abortions just cause theyre not responsible enough...

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  8. ANAVJune 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM

    you should come back on ireport and im sure we'll get all kinds of good debates...

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  9. GeoniteJune 27, 2009 at 5:30 PM

    Anav, when you are able to get pregnant your opinion on whether women who get pregnant are dumb or not will be relevant.

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  10. GeoniteJune 27, 2009 at 5:31 PM

    Has it ever occurred to you that you think it's murder because that's what you were raised to believe?

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  11. ANAVJune 28, 2009 at 8:55 AM

    No it's not on my belief, it's common sense...repeated mistakes, repeated abortions...

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  12. GeoniteJune 28, 2009 at 6:11 PM

    And I believe that actual living breathing human beings take precedence over a blob of cells.

    How many unwanted babies have you adopted?

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