Tuesday, May 26, 2009

A Sad Day for Democracy

The Supreme Court of California decided to uphold proposition 8 denying gays the right to marry. This is a very sad day for Democracy. The rights of a minority are being denied.

The problem is that it isn't JUST the right to have a marriage ceremony. It's all the rights that go with it. Civil unions do not give partners many of the rights marriage does.

I'm so glad I didn't move to California. I'd be ashamed to be a Californian today.

38 comments:

  1. It's going to be an ongoing legal battle for years.

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  2. Why can't we learn from our mistakes?

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  3. What surprised many was that many we're celebrating before the verdict was announced...

    It got ugly after the verdict was announced...

    I had nothing to do with this and I didn't even vote on this and one of my neighbors still called me an explecite bigot...

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  4. But you support the decision ANAV.

    A lot of people who voted didn't actually vote the way they thought they were voting. The way it was worded was VERY confusing.

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  5. No I don't support this decision, I didn't vote. I USED to be like some of the church people who would judge gays, but I realized and remembered what Christ said...'Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"...I believe we are all God's children, and we are all created equal...flesh and blood...
    No one has a right to judge no one, and this ballot should not have been on the ballot in the first place...

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  6. It's gonna be over turned in the very near future...

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  7. I think it's amazing how hypocritical you can be Anav.....
    All day yesterday you were defending Spontaneous on her post.....when she celebrated the decision.
    Yet both of you claim to not have voted....
    Which makes no sense to me....
    I am not attacking you...but I think you need to clarify....
    How can you be happy about the decision...and defend it....when you claim to have no voted and supposedly not support it?????

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  8. Geonite,,,,,It is a sad day...and of course it's not over....eventually it will be overturned.
    I don't think a 4% margin is necessary a solid majority....
    Especially since they are so many to claim they haven't voted....
    Yet this decision allows Religious beliefs to dictate the lives on others.....
    Shameful....and a sad day indeed...
    Just when I think we are moving forward in our tolerance of others....we jump two steps back.

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  9. blabbylips: Please show Geonite and me where you say that "I" was celebrating? I was defending Spontaneous because many were over reacting with insults towards her...

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  10. blabbylips: and this was my post and in no way's did I discriminate...Can't believe you'd think im hypocritical...

    Living in San Diego I see alot of people saying Prop 8 is an illegal vote. What I don't get is that this is America, and if one get's to vote, people can vote on what they believe in. The people in California voted fair and square...

    The decision to uphold Prop 8 wasn't even a close call, it was voted 6 to 1 in favor to uphold Prop 8...

    Just a reminder, it wasn't just the religious people who voted against same sex marriage.

    The voters have spoken and the Supreme Court has ruled intelligently and wisely.

    Hopefully the gay community wont go into a rage following this decision...

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  11. If I were gay I would feel a lot of rage.....
    What difference does it make to straight people if gay people want to marry.
    You may want to believe that Religion had nothing to do with it...but you are wrong Anav....
    In my book there could only be two reasons for citizens to vote against gay men and women not to be allowed to marry.....
    RELIGION OR HATE......Neither belongs in our political process.....
    I have an issue with any discrimination....
    Though I am NOT religious and follow my own heart when it comes to morals....NOT A BOOK...
    I would fight for your right to practice your religion as I would for gay couples being allowed to marry.....
    I don't see were you can state you are not a hypocrit.....
    If you believe in something have the guts to have your vote count......either way...no matter which way you vote....If you believe you are right....then vote....
    If you don't vote, how you feel or think about an issue really does not matter does it????

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  12. blabbylips: you are way wrong too then when you say that the only 2 reasons would be "Hate or Religion"...When I saw these marches alot of these people we're atheist and agnostic...alot of religion may had something to do with it but to say it was all based on religion is purely immature...If my rights we're ver taken away for my belief in God, trust me, I would not fight it. I do KNOW how to turn the other cheek...You can call me a hypocrite or anything you want that makes you happy! and since I didn't vote is because It's NOT my business! I will disagree with alot of issues but I will not take be one to judge...

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  13. Ok, ANAV
    If say an agnostic is against gay marriage....
    I personally know many atheist and agnostics.
    None of them care if gays marry or not....
    Since they see it as something that does not affect them directly......
    What would be their reasoning???
    If they don't believe in God....
    The only other reason that they would be against it would have to be they are disgusted by gay people and their lifestyle.....

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  14. blabbylips: theyre were agnostics and atheists who do disagree with seeing two men getting married...not saying all, some voted because they think it is disgusting seeing 2 same sex couples being married. others voted on relgious beliefs...

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  15. alot of this discrimination towards gays is because others think it's gross...thats the truth...when I saw this last year and I was one of the people who was against same sex marriage and used the bible to support marriage between man and woman I noticed, and saw things I didnt like. I said this before, I left my church and kept to myself, and if someone wants to talk about God I will..If someone asks me to use scripture about gays I will...But since then Ive never once said gays are going to hell...If you really wanna prove a point on supporting gays then do it right and maturely...

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  16. I think the phrase "teaching old dogs new tricks" comes into play. Many, many people shy away from change. Accepting gay marriage is a relatively new idea that probably needs more time to become more widely accepted. It's a very good thing this issue is finally coming to the forefront, and because of it, more progressive thinking and new legislation will result from it. It will just take some more time. Don't look at this as a negative for the long term because it will remain a very hot issue and will receive much attention. It might be frustrating, but good things will come out of it.

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  17. Also I think Geonite knows me well enough to know that I am not a hypocrite or a bigot...

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  18. yorksnbeans: I tried uploading those videos to youtube but they muted the music because I did not have approval...

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  19. too bad about the videos, but I can understand that.

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  20. Hi Yorks...
    why the name yorksnbeans by the way?

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  21. I am married to a Yorkshireman, I have a Yorkshire terrier and my nickname is Bean! :-)

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  22. OOOH ok :)
    Mines is simple...ANAV short for full name...

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  23. It took 100 years for blacks to have equal rights after they were freed.

    Denying rights is wrong. Denying rights is fascist.

    Anyone who supports the decision is supporting the denial of rights and fascism.

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  24. but geo...the majority of our country doesn't recognize it, so why all the outrage toward just one state?

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  25. Because they had the opportunity to do the right thing and didn't do it.

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  26. And my name is nothing like what you think it is. It has nothing to do with geo-sciences, but I love the fact that it hints at it.

    It's actually a word in Hebrew. But don't ask because I won't tell. You'll have to figure it out for yourselves.

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  27. Thanks Geonite,,,for supporting what I am trying to say.....
    I have an issue with any group being discriminated against....
    Today it's gay people....
    Tomorrow it could be you or myself....
    If it doesn't affect us....why do so many care so much to deny others the same right we have.
    Why should a gay couple who have stuck through a relationship.....the good, bad and the ugly...of being in a long term relationship....
    why when one partner dies the other should not have the right to be in the hospital room...make medical decisions, plan the funeral....
    If the family, no matter how distant chooses to step in....the life partner has no rights....
    Just sad and pathetic....

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  28. Hi yorksnbeans,
    Long time no speak....LOL

    The majority only won 52% to 48%....
    And many didn't bother to vote because it didn't affect them.....But staying silent is like a nod of agreement in my book....

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  29. Same here blabby. Unless they are terrorists.

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  30. Unless I am wrong here (and correct me if I am) I believe the states that recognize gay marriage have been a result of legislation, not votes. Now, if a state decides to put this issue out to vote,as did CA,that's where it goes awry. The state should not have allowed that to happen.

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  31. Correct yorksnbeans......
    It should have never ever been up for a vote...
    Too many people with their heads up their butt...

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  32. I agree with blabby and beans.

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  33. hey blabby! I have a hard time understanding this legal issue. I'm guessing that each state's constitution has different laws pertaining to passing legislation vs. voting on issues.

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  34. Then there's NJ and NH where civil unions have the same rights as marriages, but they don't recognize gay marriage.

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  35. I would be OK if everyone was like NJ and NH. I don't support allowing them to "marry" as much as I support allowing them to have some sort of ceremony that gives them the same rights as a married couple. I don't understand why civil unions don't carry the same rights as marriage to begin with.

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